So my legacy just broke down

[CTATV]

When the turbo spools it sounds like a grinding kazzoo. The check engine and cruise control lights are on too. I'm guessing turbo failure of some sort... Got towed to a shop in the bronx near 95 and the hutch... Gotta figure out how to get it back to efi logics in bethel Ct

[Joe]

Oh man, that sucks hardcore. I would call AAA and get that pig moved. turbo upgrade time??

[Bu11dogg2]

Don't run it!! if it sounds like a popcorn machine its turbo failure.


time to go bigger!

[RobE]

Damn... that sucks.

[adam]

Call Chris at EFI, I think they has a car trailer (i'm sure you'll have to pay for it but at least you know it will be safe

[squeethebee]

Sucks man, congrats on the future DOM 3 purchase though.

ed

[CTATV]

Update:

My buddy charlie is an out of work tow truck driver & his buddy just got a flat bed trailer to tow his monster truck so they are picking it up from the shop in the Bronx in the morning & towing it to EFI.

and yes if I have to buy a new turbo, its turbo upgrade time im not buying another stock turbo for it... :)

[F. Boombalatti]

Wow! That suks dude. Been there done that. At least now you can go with a big turbo and have EFI bolt on all your stage II stuff you have sitting around the house, and throwdown with a tune :D.

[CTATV]

Wow! That suks dude. Been there done that. At least now you can go with a big turbo and have EFI bolt on all your stage II stuff you have sitting around the house, and throwdown with a tune :D.

yeah except the DP. they cant do a catless one cause its not legal so I was going to install it this weekend before I went there next week for some work so now ill have to figure something else out...:unamused:

[Bu11dogg2]

start looking into injectors, pump and TMIC too if you're going with a bigger turbo!

[F. Boombalatti]

Lemme know if you help with anything man. I'll be happy to help.

[CTATV]

Thanks FB


Randy, maybe I should spring for the FMIC...

[squeethebee]

I'd say so.

ed

[Seraphinwolf]

SUCKS!!! At least it'll get sorted out.

[CTATV]

Yeah I'm looking into somebody I heard about who will build an 18g out of my turbo for like 750 bucks. I've heard good things and then I can keep a tmic (prolly get a Perrin). Money saved can go for injectors, pump, intercooler, etc I will need. But we still have to see the virdict. My buddy is picking it up in the Bronx and towing it to EFI today...

[CTATV]

????

No I mean DO put another turbo on the car. Vf40s are garbage and regularly blow up. It's not worth the money or the risk to your engine. I'd say upgrade to the vf52 if you have the cash, you can run stock fueling with the turbo but certainly will not be able to max it out (if you want to stay with the stock tmic). Otherwise if you'd like to go serious, to an wrx/sti fitment unit, fmic (plus supporting mods), and get a turbo inlet :).

Yeah I dont want to slap another stock turbo in there. the 52 is def an option, but I am going to upgrade my intercooler either way (either front mount or perrin top mount) I will have to see what works best in terms of cost and what the guys at EFI say to me after they figure out exactly what happened... STi swap with an STi TMIC & a red intake manifold could be nice. also opens up my options for BOVs

[Dusty B]

Yeah I dont want to slap another stock turbo in there. the 52 is def an option, but I am going to upgrade my intercooler either way (either front mount or perrin top mount) I will have to see what works best in terms of cost and what the guys at EFI say to me after they figure out exactly what happened... STi swap with an STi TMIC & a red intake manifold could be nice. also opens up my options for BOVs


You can always get the adapters if you'd really like to run STI style bpv's or bov's. The STI manifold is deff gangster though :lol:. Pssst hence the reason I bought the same setup for my car.

[Dusty B]

Bah, no mods to move the rest of our convo over here, doh.

[CTATV]

You can always get the adapters if you'd really like to run STI style bpv's or bov's. The STI manifold is deff gangster though :lol:. Pssst hence the reason I bought the same setup for my car.

yeah silver spec.b with the red seats... i want to keep the silver/red thing goin on the manifold would look hot... I have the red AEM CAI to go on as well... then snag and STI top mount with the red STi on it...

http://www.avojdm.com/images/300_jdm_sti_tmic.jpg


:FAP::FAP::FAP: :rofl: :wub:

[legacygt]

Yeah I'm looking into somebody I heard about who will build an 18g out of my turbo for like 750 bucks. I've heard good things and then I can keep a tmic (prolly get a Perrin). Money saved can go for injectors, pump, intercooler, etc I will need. But we still have to see the virdict. My buddy is picking it up in the Bronx and towing it to EFI today...


Please be sure to do some research about weakening the turbo housing by machining your housing, it will make it weaker.
+1 (781) 551-3399 you can call these guys at DSG for professional consultation. Its always wise to save the money and buy a turbo as is and not modify the housing in anyway shape or form.

[legacygt]

yeah silver spec.b with the red seats... i want to keep the silver/red thing goin on the manifold would look hot... I have the red AEM CAI to go on as well... then snag and STI top mount with the red STi on it...

http://www.avojdm.com/images/300_jdm_sti_tmic.jpg


:FAP::FAP::FAP: :rofl: :wub:


The sti top mount, does not mount to the VF-40 with easy, just be forwarned. Sti swaps are expensive.

[Dusty B]

I'm REALLY REALLY not trying to start an argument in someones thread.... Legacygt, please read the thread before you are posting this stuff. Evan full well knows, and has posted the idea of switching to the STI tmic AND mani. And again, while having the utmost respect for DSG, there are plenty of people running hybrid vf40's with 16g, 18g, and 20g variants without failure. And to the best of my knowledge BNR isn't machining housings at all on the smaller hybrids he is producing (I will get confirmation).

[legacygt]

I'm REALLY REALLY not trying to start an argument in someones thread.... Legacygt, please read the thread before you are posting this stuff. Evan full well knows, and has posted the idea of switching to the STI tmic AND mani. And again, while having the utmost respect for DSG, there are plenty of people running hybrid vf40's with 16g, 18g, and 20g variants without failure. And to the best of my knowledge BNR isn't machining housings at all on the smaller hybrids he is producing (I will get confirmation).


neither am i, just helping out, putting my two cents in, so in all honesty dustin i think your offended that im sharing my knowledge. Thank you for your intelligent comments.

[CTATV]

hmm good point about the turbo not mounting up to the STi swap if I do go with a rebuilt turbo... I probably will stick with a TMIC either way I would just go to the black Perrin one rather than the STi TMIC

[legacygt]

hmm good point about the turbo not mounting up to the STi swap if I do go with a rebuilt turbo... I probably will stick with a TMIC either way I would just go to the black Perrin one rather than the STi TMIC


The black perrin in my opinion is the way to go. something like 50% over stock flow.

[mattminer]

i just wanted to respond to the lag comment from the other thread. a fmic with an efficient core will not lag anymore than larger tmic, and wont blow apart like an lgt stocker.

Im sure dusty can attest to the lack of 'lag' in his car.

On the other topic, machining any housing larger does weaken it, that is not debatable, pure mechanics there. I DO NOT believe however that it weakens the housing to a point of failure on a street car.

Whatever you do, dont bother with those craptastic stock vf40's :), and good luck!

M@

[CTATV]

OK we're in back in business (within 2 weeks) so heres what's going on to the car...

AEM Cold Air Intake
Invidia UP and DP
VF52 turbo (brand new not a used one)
Perrin TMIC (in black)
07 flywheel & ACT street clutch
650cc injectors
Steel Braided brake lines

then EFI is dyno tuning the car for me...

so that stuff is being added to my car that already has

Acess Port (duh need for the tune but i already own it thankfully)
Greddy EVOII catback exhaust
Perrin LCA spherical bushings
BC BR series coilovers
Hawk HPS pads with stock rotors


We will see when they are in there if my pads/rotors are in need of a freshening-up

[Dusty B]

No thoughts on getting rid of the AP and freeing up a lil dough for the upgrade and going opensource???

[CTATV]

No thoughts on getting rid of the AP and freeing up a lil dough for the upgrade and going opensource???

nah Chris at EFI greatly prefers to tune with the Cobb software & they charge 100 bucks extra for open source. I also like the fact that in the future they can make me multiple maps and I can have them on the unit. (possibly a winter map & summer map)

[Dusty B]

nah Chris at EFI greatly prefers to tune with the Cobb software & they charge 100 bucks extra for open source. I also like the fact that in the future they can make me multiple maps and I can have them on the unit. (possibly a winter map & summer map)

True...


The only thing I did like about my days with AP was having a valet map just in case I wasn't able to drive, or someone needed to borrow the car.

[CTATV]

True...


The only thing I did like about my days with AP was having a valet map just in case I wasn't able to drive, or someone needed to borrow the car.

yeah, ive never used that before...

[CTATV]

My Up Pipe just arrived today. Now just waiting on the VF52 and the TMIC then i bring everything to EFI and they get started :spin:

[starhm]

hope you are up and running soon.

[Bu11dogg2]

Don't forget to get a fuel pump!!!!!

[shtbxr22]

you better drop the oil pan, and clean all the bearing material outta there, and change the oil a few times after the new turbo.

[Bu11dogg2]

This too^ I've seen some nasty stuff come out oilpans once a VF40 goes boom.

[shtbxr22]

very sparkly! :)

[05Rex]

im excited to see what numbers your gonna be putting down.

[Oscar_Meyer]

I have a dedbolt U can buy...

[CTATV]

Don't forget to get a fuel pump!!!!!Chris at EFI told me I should be able to run my stock fuel pump...

you better drop the oil pan, and clean all the bearing material outta there, and change the oil a few times after the new turbo.

good idea thanks

[BG @ BrenTuning]

I find a handful of LGT's when they reach higher miles to really need a fuel pump to get under 11.5 AFR's even when in the low 90 IDCs. There was simply not enough fuel pressure.

VF52 is awesome setup on those, good luck!

[CTATV]

I find a handful of LGT's when they reach higher miles to really need a fuel pump to get under 11.5 AFR's even when in the low 90 IDCs. There was simply not enough fuel pressure.

VF52 is awesome setup on those, good luck!

Thanks for the tip. Yeah i cant wait to have this thing up and running

[Oscar_Meyer]

Yeah i cant wait to have this thing up and running

oh man I hear ya... as someone who had TWO deadbolt turbo's check out on him NOTHING is more bitter than sitting in UR garaged car with a tear rolling down UR face because it went three mile island

[CTATV]

oh man I hear ya... as someone who had TWO deadbolt turbo's check out on him NOTHING is more bitter than sitting in UR garaged car with a tear rolling down UR face because it went three mile island

:lol: I cant even sit in it its at EFI Logics and i was getting stuff out of it there the other day and locked the keys in it :DOH!:

but in the end it forced me to take the next step and really make some good power out of it. its my daily driver for now so it cant be too over the top but if i can get up near 300 hp it should be a noticeable difference from the 223hp 244tq it has/had currently

[Oscar_Meyer]

....... in the end it forced me to take the next step.....

Thats right, the glass is in fact still half full.... What U have here is UR window of opportunity to make the changes that have been calling UR name. I can't wait to see the end results.

[CTATV]

Thats right, the glass is in fact still half full.... What U have here is UR window of opportunity to make the changes that have been calling UR name. I can't wait to see the end results.

yeah me either. Only thing im not doing is the Fuel Pump which would be nice. But I talked to Chris at EFI and he said the walbro pumps have had fitment issues and have left people stranded. If i want to do a pump I should go with the AVO, which is like 400 bucks. That will put me over the 4,000 mark which i really dont feel like passing right now. I got side feed 650cc injectors and the VF52 which he said should be OK with the stock pump. he could squeeze more power out of the car with a pump but I think it will be making plenty more power even without it

[Oscar_Meyer]

U know.. thiose options ALWAYS EXIST... When I replaced my deadbolt with the Garrett I had other options to add (in some cases ALOT MORE) horsies.. IT always came down to what I have in the car, what is left to do and how much more performance do I really need.

I can also tell U from first hand experience that the more horsepower U run with the harder and faster destruction takes place when things go south..

[CTATV]

U know.. thiose options ALWAYS EXIST... When I replaced my deadbolt with the Garrett I had other options to add (in some cases ALOT MORE) horsies.. IT always came down to what I have in the car, what is left to do and how much more performance do I really need.

I can also tell U from first hand experience that the more horsepower U run with the harder and faster destruction takes place when things go south..

:lol: yep. To be honest one of the things im looking forward to most is the UP/DP and the intake going in so I can hear the woosh and the burble. the Greddy EVOII catback I have is a reallly deep sound but its been muffled with the stock DP still on there up to this point

[CTATV]

So fedex says the second package arrived at my house today at 10am. that should mean I have a VF52 and Perrin TMIC chillin at my crib right now :spin:

So i was going to go ahead and order the AVO Fuel Pump last night but Josh doesnt have any of them in stock :(

Anybody know a good place that I could get one sent to me on the quickness?

[mdennett99]

Have you tried Fred Beans Parts? I ordered gaskets for me stage 2 install and got then in 2 days. :eek:

http://www.fredbeansparts.com/servlet/StoreFront

[Oscar_Meyer]

:lol: yep. To be honest one of the things im looking forward to most is the UP/DP and the intake going in so I can hear the woosh and the burble. the Greddy EVOII catback I have is a reallly deep sound but its been muffled with the stock DP still on there up to this point

at this point in my life going fast is still fun but it is being replaced... by a noramlized velocity just to make sure everyone around can hear that "whoosh and burble" noise U refer to... Anyone can drive fast, not everyone can turn heads with the sound of their engine...

[CTATV]

Have you tried Fred Beans Parts? I ordered gaskets for me stage 2 install and got then in 2 days. :eek:

http://www.fredbeansparts.com/servlet/StoreFront


thanks ill give 'em a looksie

at this point in my life going fast is still fun but it is being replaced... by a noramlized velocity just to make sure everyone around can hear that "whoosh and burble" noise U refer to... Anyone can drive fast, not everyone can turn heads with the sound of their engine...

Agreed :spin:

[CTATV]

Bummer was just the TMIC. Still waiting on the VF52. EFI also said I shouldn't max out my fuel pump when adding the VF52. They have tuned a few and had no problem so I'm saving the money and not going for the avo fuel pump...

[CTATV]

Down at EFI Logics right now they should be getting all the shop work done today... Then I just have to wait for Chris to squeeze in a time to tune it next week (hopefully early in the week... :spin:

[Bu11dogg2]

it's gonna be a monster when you get it back :)

i'm guessing 306 WHP

[CTATV]

I'll need a napkin to clean out my pants

[Bu11dogg2]

it's gonna be a total different car

[adam]

Where did you end up finding the AVO Pump?

[CTATV]

Where did you end up finding the AVO Pump?

I didnt I stuck with stock. Jack, Pete, and Chris said I didnt need it with the VF52

[CTATV]

So my Access Port is broken... I had to send it to Utah because its already mated to my car from when i went stage1 OTS map. All mechanical work is done just waiting for the access port so Chris can access the computer and tune it...

http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o160/fiidgett/23568745.jpg
http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o160/fiidgett/289a2da7.jpg
http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o160/fiidgett/c8a1c3b4.jpg

[EFI Logics]

Evan,

Your car is on the dyno now, I did some preliminary stuff tonight and will be tuning it first thing in the morning.

- Chris

[Bu11dogg2]

Can't wait for the results :)

[boxxer joe]

Can't wait for the results :)

i second that lets see some numbers

[CTATV]

Evan,

Your car is on the dyno now, I did some preliminary stuff tonight and will be tuning it first thing in the morning.

- Chris


made my night Chris... I'll stop by in the morning to see how its going !!!! now despite the beers and the sexy lady I just dropped off at home I just want to ride the car hahahahah:spin:

[RobE]

wheres the update?

[CTATV]

Car is running great. Washed it and cleaned out the inside & been cruising around most of the day. Sounds great too. Dyno numbers ended up at 285HP 316tq on the Dyno. The VF52 did max out the stock Fuel Pump but luckily they had an AVO pump in stock so they threw that in and had it done Thursday afternoon :spin:

[EFI Logics]

Pretty nice jump over OTS stage 2, huh Evan?

http://efilogics.com/dyno/graph.php?gb=0&hp=1&torque=1&boost=1&rpm=1&sl=1&sln=1&runid1=832&rgb1=000000255&runid2=833&rgb2=204000000

- Pete@EFI

[CTATV]

Pretty nice jump over OTS stage 2, huh Evan?


- Pete@EFI

hell yeah. It was OTS stage 1 though so you guys know. Just noticed that it says 2 on your dyno data base :)

that stupid move with the 87 octane worked out OK too. (for those that dont know I was talking to a friend at the gas station and put half a tank of 87 in on a half tank of 93). I bought a bottle of 104 octane boost that treats 25 gallons and put it in there, then drove around for a bit and put another quarter tank of 93 in there. Been driving all day no problems :spin:

thanks again for all your help

[Alpine.Star]

Congrats on getting the car back. I'm jelous of your torque. I've done the 87 thing before not a half tank, but $5 and then I realized the 87 button was lit up and I was going from empty that could have been bad :lol: