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[Bu11dogg2]

Intercoolers/coolant sprayers

If you have the turbo model Legacy/WRX/Forester you have an intercooler.
This is the stock intercooler
http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f43/Bu11dogg2/wagon/DSC00745.jpg

This is a aftermarket Top mount intercooler
http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f43/Bu11dogg2/wagon/suby013.jpg
This is a Front mount intercooler
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v629/TomRitt/315745587IAvfMr_ph.jpg

This is how the piping looks for a Front Mounted Intercooler:
http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f43/Bu11dogg2/wagon/DSC01156.jpg

The intercooler is one the biggest obstacles in reaching the 300+ WHP range. Basically the intercooler cools the air that is forced into your engine by the turbo. It's a proven fact that when you mix cold air with gas you get better combustion. That is why an intercooler is so important.

You really don't need a front mount intercooler if you have a stock turbo. The stock top mount or an aftermarket top mount can handle it just fine.
Please contact one of our vendors for pricing.

Sprayers:
Like on the STi, you can add one of these to your car. Basically what it does is spray cold water on teh intercooler to help cool the air that passes through it.
It can be manually controlled (button in the cockpit) or set to spray when it either reaches a certain temp or you have the throttle wide open.

Wet Injection/alcohol injection:
This is a very complicated subject.... as I mentioned before we all know that cold air mixed with gas combusts better then warm air. This is where the Alcohol injection comes in a.k.a wet injection. By spraying the proper mixture of gas, air and Methanol into the engine reducing the chance of detonation.

For more info on Wet Injection read here: http://www.rallycars.com/Cars/WaterInjection.html (http://www.rallycars.com/Cars/WaterInjection.html)
For pricing please contact on our vendors.

[Kevin]

I have my ssac tubro xs knockoff fmic waiting to go on. I really want to come up with something else for a bumperbeam though.

I've seen somebody tilt the fmic on a 06 and not have to cut the stock bumperbeam.
or I could just hack the stock bumperbeam and weld a plate over were I had to cut it.

[wagonmafia]

Tilting it would be your best bet. i took my beam off untill i decide what i wanna do. i really dont want to cut it so ill figure some thing out in the next few weeks. new frontend goes on.....

[Bu11dogg2]

that's a big issue with FMIC's :(

You either lose the bumper beam or your fog lights, and sometimes both :(

[Kevin]

I found this I just have no idea on how to make it work.
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b88/shod0005/philfmic.jpg

[FREAK]

Id be curious to see how that works too

[Bu11dogg2]

the intercooler itself should hav couplers on the hot/cold side of the FMIC.

I think it's just a matter of adjusting the FMIC itself and then mounting it.

I can forsee a reduced cooling effect because the bar and plates are not horizontal :(

[FREAK]

longer mounting tabs would be my guess. I wouldnt thing there would be a loss of cooling. That mount in the pic looks like it gets good air flow even on a tilt

[Kevin]

I know v-mounts are monted tilted so not sure about how well it will cool.

[Kevin]

I guess I can make some stainless brakets at work when I get it mocked up.

the fmic I have mounts to the cheap replacement for the stock bumper beam.

[Bu11dogg2]

I guess it depends if the bumper deflects teh air flow.

[Kevin]

I guess I could log my car with it tilted and straight to see if there is any diffrence.

[Bu11dogg2]

I don't think there will be much now that I look at the pic.

You can always get a sprayer or meth :)

[FREAK]

the pic doesnt look like its blocked much if at all

[Kevin]

I don't think there will be much now that I look at the pic.

You can always get a sprayer or meth :)

meth but that might be the straw the breaks my stock motor lol

I want the aquamist setup when I have better pistons.

[Bu11dogg2]

Meth can be the opposite if installed right.

You can run less boost and get more HP.

[Kevin]

well I'm woried about the more hp breaking stuff.

my green on pump would be 340 whp and 340 wtq on a dyno like dsg and thats close to edge on a stock block atleast to me. with forged pistons I wouldn't worry to much.

[Bu11dogg2]

OIC

You installing the FMIC yourself?

[Kevin]

I have a few people that are gonna help.
I'm not sure if I trust myself enough to cut the bumper lol.
it will most likely happen when I get my accord on the road.

[Bu11dogg2]

you haz PM :)

[Seraphinwolf]

that's a big issue with FMIC's :(

You either lose the bumper beam or your fog lights, and sometimes both :(
VMIC! FTMFW! If only they didn't cost so much and I could find space to run it with a turbo setup on my EZ30R with a Garret twinscroll GT40R turbo. :devil:
-Gaddis

[Kevin]

if your going with that big of a turbo all the big power cars run a air to water setup.

[kgj996]

Air to water is the way to go! Way more cooling in a 1/3 the space. Super efficient!

[Bu11dogg2]

a custom fabbed air/water intercooler is $$$$$ i'd love to have twin's in my car with a KO4 :wub:

[kgj996]

If you have the time and skills, they are cheap to make. A new core is around $100, then all you need is plumbing and a pump. :D

[Bu11dogg2]

I watched Jon at TDC make one.... What a mess that turned out to be :lol:

[Kevin]

I watched Jon at TDC make one.... What a mess that turned out to be :lol:


I could see that lol

I can get nice ss electro polished ss fittings and pipe and weld most of it too with a orbital welder or tig. I can just browse the scrap bins time to time.

If you want to make one it can't be that hard.

[Bu11dogg2]

:lol:

Installing yours shoudl be a snap since Range Automotive said we could use the garage :)

[Kevin]

yup +1 for Range :D

[Bu11dogg2]

so I just realized I have twin Intercoolers on my car :lol:

[kgj996]

If you are planning in going FMIC, the only way to take full advantage of the cooler air is to run a blow through MAF setup. This moves your maf from before the turbo in the intake track, to after the intercooler and just before the intake manifold.
The MAF is what takes your air intake temp readings, and when it is reading temps pre turbo on a fmic setup, they are going to be way off from what the actual temps are of the air after the intercooler, going into the engine. Some times with a short ram intake these differences can be as much as 20-30 degrees!

Why is this a bad thing? Well the ecu has to compensate for differences in atmospheric changes like air temp and pressure because these both affect the amount of oxygen in the air and how much fuel you can burn at a given afr. Knowing that gasses are less soluble at higher temps, the hotter the air is, the less oxygen is in it.
When the car senses hotter air going into the engine, it compensates for it by trimming down the boost and timing to avoid knocking, and thus cutting lots of power. I have seen up to a 20whp difference from just a 10 degrees air temp change. Change to a blow through maf takes some tuning to sort out but when it is right, you gain a ton of throttle response and more accurate data logging. You can also run a true cai with out worrying about the maf reading weird.

[Bu11dogg2]

are those hard to tune?

[Kevin]

I have heard they are a little tough

[kgj996]

It takes some time to get right, but it is well worth it.

[Kevin]

I guess I should go through with it.

[kgj996]

^^^I would wait and talk the shop who is going to tune it for you. You don't want to do it and drive around without a tune or find out that your shop won't tune it for you.

[Kevin]

ya true. I think dsg could handle it but not 100%

[RCKSTR]

I guess I should choose a tuner and then ask him whats best because I'm planning on going with that setup for the maf also.

[RCKSTR]

ya true. I think dsg could handle it but not 100%
have you delt with dsg before? I'm still in search of a tuner:unamused:

[Kevin]

not yet but I know a few people that have. also I have heard nothing but good things about matt.

its the only tuner I would trust with my car in the genral area.

[joel21wolter]

I am hoping to get down there sometime this week and have him tune my car.

[Kevin]

nice you should love that shop.

[Robk0000]

My car builds up carbon dust on the exhaust tips Super fast... would this be from a not so excellent tune, ie running rich?

[Kevin]

my wrx and sti does that alot. but I have a rich tune and no cats though.

[kgj996]

Most all turbo Subaru's run rich, comparatively to other cars like evo's or DSM's, to run safely and be reliable. I wouldn't worry about a little carbon build up unless you start to burn a lot of oil or start to get crappy gas millage.

[Bu11dogg2]

Can't wait to get my FMIC on :)

[Boris]

Most all turbo Subaru's run rich, comparatively to other cars like evo's or DSM's, to run safely and be reliable. I wouldn't worry about a little carbon build up unless you start to burn a lot of oil or start to get crappy gas millage.

Not sure this makes sense.




:unamused:

[Bu11dogg2]

Not sure this makes sense.




:unamused:


all subarus run a little rich. :lol:

[BogeyBones]

How are you FMIC guys going to stop those dagnabbin bugs from bending those fins???:spin:

[BogeyBones]

nother question. are these intercoolers air-to-air or air-to-liquid? I thought it was some coolant like R134-A in there

[Berge56]

No issues yet. I ran mine all summer and it still looks mint. :)

[Berge56]

nother question. are these intercoolers air-to-air or air-to-liquid? I thought it was some coolant like R134-A in there

Air to Air.

[BogeyBones]

Air to Air.

thanks chief

[Blackpearl44]

a custom fabbed air/water intercooler is $$$$$ i'd love to have twin's in my car with a KO4 :wub:
You wouldn't want a K04 ... Had one on my speed3 and the WG gets tapped out quickly up high and packs power Low to mid....

[SicRedGt]

Here is a thought on blow thru MAF. I was considering this but never pulled the trigger. I was running my FMIC and K&N Typhoon without a heat shield so heat soak would affect the IAT very quickly when not moving or moving slow. I since fabricated a custom air box to isolate the filter from engine heat and it works great.
However, why not obtain an NTC IAT sensor with the same resistance values as what in incorporated in the MAF sensor and mount it into the cold side charge pipe and wire accordingly? I have not looked at the circuit but I'm it can be done.

[BogeyBones]

Here is a thought on blow thru MAF. I was considering this but never pulled the trigger. I was running my FMIC and K&N Typhoon without a heat shield so heat soak would affect the IAT very quickly when not moving or moving slow. I since fabricated a custom air box to isolate the filter from engine heat and it works great.
However, why not obtain an NTC IAT sensor with the same resistance values as what in incorporated in the MAF sensor and mount it into the cold side charge pipe and wire accordingly? I have not looked at the circuit but I'm it can be done.

Clarify IAT? Idle Air something? I've read around that short rams do provide inconsistency and a heat shield definitely helps.

[snow05gtRI]

IAT = Intake Air Temperature