The Obama Poll

[Bu11dogg2]

Vote then post!

[-=The Boss=-]

im here for creative poll ideas

[CTATV]

he will do well but its not going to be the country-wide orgasm of specialness that people seem to think will take place...

[WinterKnoll]

I think he'll be a good president, but man is it a tough time to become president. I am a little bit tired of people who think that all of these problems are going to go away the day he's sworn in..

[CTATV]

exactly

[Evoeater]

He is just a bunch of hype..nothing seperates or makes him different than any other president..

[Rooster]

I dont think he'll do well over all. Sure, their will be the lavishing from the media for about a year or so but that should wear off. With his inability to make firm and concise decisions on the fly, it will hurt him. And he'll have to defend himself from the wraith of the clintons when he fires schrillery. On the economic front, he'll fair well, but then again, we can only go up from here.

With today's insta-media, no president will fair well. We saw it during the last years of billy boy, and thru out the 8 years of dubbya's term. We have changed as a nation,and subsequently will not be satisfied with ANY president.

I miss the Reagan years.

[Bu11dogg2]

I think he'll be a good president, but man is it a tough time to become president. I am a little bit tired of people who think that all of these problems are going to go away the day he's sworn in..


he has a lot against him to.

-he's young
-inexperienced
-the economy is in the toilet
-war's on 2 fronts, soon to be 3

He could be the Kennedy/Nixon of our generation....

only time will tell

[RCKSTR]

I voted, guess we'll have to wait and see

[-=The Boss=-]

who deleted my post?

[-=The Boss=-]

No one want to fess up?

[dayman]

he messed up, doh...

[-=The Boss=-]

ya do...its foreshadowing...we are ****ed!

[jonny-rockets]

lol.

im sure he'll do good. more importantly, he will make the country believe he is doing good / we are doing good regardless of our actual situation.

that has gotta count for something, the guy can make you feel special even if you are not special.

[dayman]

ya do...its foreshadowing...we are ****ed!

he wasn't president yet. haha

I think he's gonna kick ass. More importantly, America is gonna kick ass.

edit: +1 what jonny said

[-=The Boss=-]

I hope so but he better step up.

[-GWOOD-]

I feel sorry for the small businesses that make up this country cause he is going to Tax the hell out of them. As long as i can keep my job and keep driving cars i dont really care who is in office.

[mdungelman]

Hey Boss, you think because he mis-speaks in a speech that it means we're in for a terrible 4 years. I feel sorry for you.

Its about damn time that Curious George is out of the Whitehouse. Its unfortunate that Bush got this country into a complete mess. I'm sure Obama has plans to get this country back on track. But as much as we can hope for, only time will tell.

[Bu11dogg2]

He gives us hope, and we need that more than anything right now.

[-=The Boss=-]

Hey Boss, you think because he mis-speaks in a speech that it means we're in for a terrible 4 years. I feel sorry for you.

No i think we are in for 4 bad years because he cant think :unamused:

Change is interesting:

Obama before election: Bush's wire taps = BAD

Obama since election: Wire taps = good (New York Times reported yesterday that some intelligence court is saying now that they are "completely legal" )

Obama before election: Get the troops out of Iraq NOW!!!

Obama since election: Well, it may take more than 4 years to get them out...

Obama before election: Close GITMO! Give the rights to the terrorists!

Obama since election: Well... those boys are pretty dangerous... maybe GTMO isn't such a bad thing... lets keep it open for a while

[middleG622]

He is a good speaker (aside from the oath trip-up :)) which will help him. No one wanted to listen to a word Bush said. What kind of leader is that?:eek:

[Joe]

Yea, all the people, including my Gf think this is a crazy awesome time and he is gonna save the world. The only big thing is he is the first black person elected. But at the same time, how many african americans have run?(Al sharpton??)

He has said a lot and most likely wont be able to do any of it. Just like every other president. The only change, he isn't old and white....


The next four years should be just peachy....

[-=The Boss=-]

He is a good speaker (aside from the oath trip-up :)) which will help him. No one wanted to listen to a word Bush said. What kind of leader is that?:eek:
Hes a good reader off a TelePrompTer no ideas yet how he is off the cuff

[Nate8409]

Sweet I am glad to see someone wrote this here. Hello, My Name is Mr. Contradiction. Lets just fix every ones financial screw up by giving them money.

You screw up we take care of you with money to help you get out. Then like Citigroup did. You go on vacation. WOooooo. PARTY!!

I don't vote with the Boss though. I hope that he just used the media to get himself elected and does some good. He has more than ample opportunity to make some serious change especially with the public eating out of his hand. Passing bills that will inflict real chance will be easy for him.

But anyway. I forsee the next 4 years being not much better than they are now with a continuing decline of jobs and the economic wealth of this country but have HOPE as Mr. Obama loved to use during his campaign that he will change some things to strengthen us.

So in other words I did not vote since I did not like any of the poll options.

I will be keeping my eye on what he does just like many of us out there.

No i think we are in for 4 bad years because he cant think :unamused:

Change is interesting:

Obama before election: Bush's wire taps = BAD

Obama since election: Wire taps = good (New York Times reported yesterday that some intelligence court is saying now that they are "completely legal" )

Obama before election: Get the troops out of Iraq NOW!!!

Obama since election: Well, it may take more than 4 years to get them out...

Obama before election: Close GITMO! Give the rights to the terrorists!

Obama since election: Well... those boys are pretty dangerous... maybe GTMO isn't such a bad thing... lets keep it open for a while

[starhm]

you cant fix this in four years. this will languish and he will start taking the hit for it. this is not going to be instant change. get ready for more of a bumpy ride...cupcake!

should start a pool on the first country, excluding isreal, that is going to start something just to see what happens.

[Rooster]

Hes a good reader off a TelePrompTer no ideas yet how he is off the cuff
His previous voting record solely depended on voter polling (Illinois). As POTUS, he can't pull that off.

[-=The Boss=-]

His previous voting record solely depended on voter polling (Illinois). As POTUS, he can't pull that off.
Yes and IL has no political corruption issues :rofl::rofl::rofl:



Sweet I am glad to see someone wrote this here. Hello, My Name is Mr. Contradiction. Lets just fix every ones financial screw up by giving them money.

You screw up we take care of you with money to help you get out. Then like Citigroup did. You go on vacation. WOooooo. PARTY!!

I don't vote with the Boss though. I hope that he just used the media to get himself elected and does some good. He has more than ample opportunity to make some serious change especially with the public eating out of his hand. Passing bills that will inflict real chance will be easy for him.

But anyway. I forsee the next 4 years being not much better than they are now with a continuing decline of jobs and the economic wealth of this country but have HOPE as Mr. Obama loved to use during his campaign that he will change some things to strengthen us.

So in other words I did not vote since I did not like any of the poll options.

I will be keeping my eye on what he does just like many of us out there.
the market closed down today over 330 points. Close to a 12 month low :unamused:

7949.09 -332.13
Open: 8279.63High: 8291.98Low: 7939.93

[Jon]

Seems to me like no matter what Obama is going to do, the people will still love him. We'll never see those people downtown Portsmouth holding up signs protesting him. Although the one of a naked dude holding a hat over his "regions" with W's face on it was funny...

[Nate8409]

I KNOW. He can't do any wrong. That is how I feel things are going to pan out. Nobody will blame him for anything he does wrong.

Because in the end they can play any card they want. It is endless. Well he was the first Black president so he needed this practice run of 4 years. Congress was racist.

The racism card is ready to rock anytime they want to use it. Not to mention the well it is more carry over from Bush because he screwed up so bad.

But you never know. I could be wrong.

Yes and IL has no political corruption issues :rofl::rofl::rofl:




the market closed down today over 330 points. Close to a 12 month low :unamused:

7949.09 -332.13
Open: 8279.63High: 8291.98Low: 7939.93

[middleG622]

Hes a good reader off a TelePrompTer no ideas yet how he is off the cuff


We'll see. We're all just going off of first impressions right now. Next four years...here we go...

[Bu11dogg2]

Yes and IL has no political corruption issues :rofl::rofl::rofl:




the market closed down today over 330 points. Close to a 12 month low :unamused:

7949.09 -332.13
Open: 8279.63High: 8291.98Low: 7939.93


maybe because everyone was watching the inauguration?

[Nate8409]

I would like to see some objective people out there. Not this groupie bull**** going on all over the country.

[Murphy2012]

Thats what happens in a democracy...

[Subygirl8330]

He gives us hope, and we need that more than anything right now.

absolutely! Thats the first step to success.

[Nate8409]

Hope? I would think the first step to success is action.

My house is on fire. I hope we get out.

[Murphy2012]

I think you are looking at it the wrong way. No single person, never mind a nation will try to do something if they dont think they can. I think that is what they are getting at. Motivating an entire nation of people isnt easy, giving them hope is a great first step, at least they are motivated to try a hard task. Its a simple principle of management.

If you dont like Obama, then you dont like Obama. He is the president and complaining about it isn't going to help anyone, including yourself.

[-GWOOD-]

^^ True that, just gonna have to deal with it for 4 years.

[middleG622]

I think you are looking at it the wrong way. No single person, never mind a nation will try to do something if they dont think they can. I think that is what they are getting at. Motivating an entire nation of people isnt easy, giving them hope is a great first step, at least they are motivated to try a hard task. Its a simple principle of management.

If you dont like Obama, then you dont like Obama. He is the president and complaining about it isn't going to help anyone, including yourself.


Right on. So many people think that the president is going to change things. We have to be the ones to change things. His leadership might actually get everyone moving. Americans need to stop sitting around and waiting for things to change. It's such a lazy attitude. We are America. If we don't like it, we need to change it.

[im_so_blue]

Remember the old saying...
"Its not what America can do for you.... Its What you... as Citizens of America can do for America"
Change isn't about waving a magical wand and hoping things will magically get better.
Change is about getting off your butt and doing something about it.

You don't like the economy? Well come up with ideas to change the economy and go for it.
Don't like the fact the troops are still in iraq... well Start rallying people together and force em back.
Don't like gas prices? Well come up with a solution and stick to it.

This country isn't gonna change because one man snaps his fingers and it happens. No its gonna change because you want it to change and your gonna put in the work and effort it'll take to make that change

[Nate8409]

Don't complain about the president? Why shouldn't I? What has he done to deserve god status? That is where he is right now.

Before you continue your opinion of Obama start to read about him. Read the information from the left and the right. I have been reading up on both sides and I don't like what I have been finding.

If you only listen to the News on most of TV you will not hear any truth. You will hear only what they want you to hear. And that is that Obama is our savior.

Can you tell me exactly why Obama is so great?

He will not be great until he has done Great things! I'll have to start posting articles here to open up some eyes.

[Murphy2012]

I think we all know what you are talking about, at least I do, and understand. My point was not that Obama was great, and I didnt state once that I thought he was. My point is just as stated above, complaining isnt going to get you anywhere. If you want change, then make it happen, take your time and do the things im-so-blue listed if you are so hell bent on it. It seems as if you are just upset at the way the country is acting towards him right now, which I understand. Of course everyone is over reacting, but hes the first black president, which is MEDIA HUGE. Of course its blown out of proportion and of course people are expeecting great things from him, just like they do every president. Will he be as great as he is being thought out to be? Probably not, but complaining is going to get you no where. Please understand what I write because it makes plain sense. I am not saying Obama is the greatest man alive, I am saying that for the country to change, it takes more than a man. It takes the whole country believing in the change and it does require someone (Obama now) to get us as a whole motivated. Its a smart tactic he is using.

Also, no one told you not to complain, and I didnt mean it that way, what I mean is don't complain if you intend to do nothing about it but complain. Its like people that ***** about not having things in life....the reason they dont is because they dont work to get it. It's like an over weight person complaining about being overweight, but never going to work out or eat right to fix it.

[middleG622]

^^+1

[im_so_blue]

What i think people need to see in obama good or not as a man is to see him as a Lincoln charecter. If he can spread hope then let the man do so. It can only bring good things

After all look at what it did for Abraham Lincoln some consider the greatest president america has ever seen. He went around rallying and spreading hope. Which got america to move and work for what it believed in.

Maybe not a president but look at Martin Luther King Jr and Malcom X
With out their way of spreading hope theres no way in hell Obama would be president right now... Hell he wouldn't even be considered a canidate... The only way he probably would be in the white house is either as a butler or janitor.

So i think hope does wonderful things. And if obama can do this for us. Then let the man try. Cause if we don't. Then imo we are doomed as a country for having absolutely no faith.

[Nate8409]

I am not complaining really. What I am doing is talking to anyone. I am telling them to stop this foolishness with the Obama blind love.

People are acting cult like. I did not say that man wont be able to make a difference. We all know the president is a pawn. The rich run this country and more than likely always will because of the lack of control put on them.

Kind of like why Obama just put into HUGE power a tax evader. He is a criminal. You and I would both be in jail but notttt Timothy. They like him.

This democratic Nation is great. I love America but don't love the corruption that threatens to tear it apart.

This is the main problem I see. The most dangerous of them all. Obama likes socialism. He is liberal and that is to be expected. Your average American doesn't know what that means nor will a good majority ever know because of educational differences in this country.

Socialism is a scary thought for me. We are in a democratic decline. Which is normal because like all democratic nations they rise with greatness and then start to fall. They fall because of corruption. When you have half the government on your pay roll it doesn't matter what the people want because you control the votes anyway.

This is something I would want people to read.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123249791178500439.html

[nhmtns]

As a teacher, I'm just glad Bush and his blind faith in NCLB is gone. It's been killing education in our country.

The future looks much brighter with Obama.

http://www.ontheissues.org/social/Barack_obama_Education.htm

[Nate8409]

Yeah like I keep saying. Lets see what he does. Every presidential nominee has promised reform in the school systems. Who has really reformed them?

[im_so_blue]

i don't look at a presidency as a race between race. Democrat vs Republican.
Which why i don't vote really due to people would be on my case "well you vote for a republican one year but democrat the next and now independent this time around whats up"
a political race shouldn't make a president.
Its the man or woman that makes the president.
I would go for who ever i feel is more secure about what they believe in. And whether i feel its whats necessary for the country.
There is no democrats or republicans... We are people.. and if we don't start treating ourselves as people then in a sense i feel we are no different then what we were in the mid 1800's during the civil war where it was the north being against the south.
Maybe not in a violence sense
but in mind we are.
If you don't believe me. Do this go in a major area where it be Manchester, Boston, Burlington, Springfield, New Haven, Hartford, Providence, or Portland. Go for a walk ask around if people are democrat's or republicans politically.. If they respond republican.. then go and ask "So hows that obama.. isn't he just awesome and such... i even voted for him"
Watch them turn from whatever mood they were in. to wanting to pull a gun on you and shoot you dead there...
To me it seems that much cut throat. And i think thats one of the means of corruption in the government is they let their political race blind them instead of common sense.

[Nate8409]

Democracies are literally a fight for power. You pit all the branches of government against each other and they always try to get more power without the other one saying hey you SOB getting more power. I want more power.

Eventually one side wins and the government becomes whatever they want because they control everyone in it. Or in a Demo 51% of it. This is the downfall of democracy. Democratic nations eventually fail because of corruption.

That is my gripe with the Liberal thought train. Or Socialist ideals. They want to give more power to the Government. Taxes climb. Power of your dollar decreases. The more you make the more you get taxed. If I have to work 3 times as hard to make 1 dollar more and half as hard and 1 dollar less what do you think I am going to do? Work myself to the bone for that extra dollar? NO way ever.

Don't get me wrong, I don't think all liberal ideas suck. Like pro choice and removing forced religion in schools. Couple others I can't think of right now.

Random thought here...
You know why people don't care about their neighbor who lost his job and his family is in rough shape? Because the Government will step in and help. If the program was not there we as a people would create it out of our own pockets and run it privately. Things like the red cross and are driven by peoples generosity.

Oh well I will stop rambling for a bit here.

[middleG622]

^So then what is your solution?

[Nate8409]

Stop spending money. Lower taxes. For now cut Government programs instead of starting new costly ones. I'll continue this later but for now...

http://www.wvwnews.net/story.php?id=6257

[Murphy2012]

Nate, dont take this the wrong way, but I think you are very overly swayed by the media. Stories are made out to make a person/group look good or bad. Reading either one will sway your opinion. Do you realize that every single president campaigns what they can to get the vote? Do you think any of the last 10 presidents ever held up to every word they said or claimed they would do?
I am pretty sure Obama stated, all programs will be reviewed, if they dont work, they will be stopped, if they are working, they will continue.

I am not in this to argue but maybe open your eyes a bit. It seems as if the media has taken control of you. I understand exactly what you are saying man, and I agree to an extent. Not one person is going to change the country or make everything better.

[Nate8409]

Nate, dont take this the wrong way, but I think you are very overly swayed by the media. Stories are made out to make a person/group look good or bad. Reading either one will sway your opinion. Do you realize that every single president campaigns what they can to get the vote? Do you think any of the last 10 presidents ever held up to every word they said or claimed they would do?

I never said they didn't. Presidents will do anything to get into office. You read the bad story and the good story and see which one is fluffy clounds and which one is solid. Sometimes you have to read multiple from any side available and then come to an opinion.

I am pretty sure Obama stated, all programs will be reviewed, if they dont work, they will be stopped, if they are working, they will continue.

Obama did say that stuff but a working program can still be a **** program that we don't need. It's an economic crisis out there. Lets start a new alternative energy program. This is the right thing to do. SPEND more MONEY!

I am not in this to argue but maybe open your eyes a bit. It seems as if the media has taken control of you. I understand exactly what you are saying man, and I agree to an extent. Not one person is going to change the country or make everything better.

If the media has taken control of me I would not be saying anything against Obama. The Media says Obama will save us and is our savior. So this being true what media am I listening to? I am reading and watching everything I get a chance to so I can know what is going on in DC.

I am not trying to preach or anything here but not one thing has happened that I have said oh good. This should be a positive change.

That clip is a showing of the ignorance out there. Did you hear what she said? I aint rich like ya'll but I will be soon. Cause we got Obama. I hear the message there. People with money should give it to me. My car is being repoed... Probably along the lines of I bought a car I couldn't afford.


I strive to be 100% objective as I can with anything. That is why I step back and think about what I am reading. Considering the fact that it is very easy to twist anyones words into making them look evil or good wheather the original statement was for the greater good or the greater evil.

Instead of saying lets give him a chance. I would say lets not have faith yet. Lets bet very cautious of the things we let him do without loud yelling noises to the media for example. If Barack had proved anything at this point I might not say ****.

[Murphy2012]

I understand what you mean. I think we see it the same way but werent fully understanding each other. Damn internets.

[01RS-00GT]

He might do okay, but Bush has left him quite the mess

[Nate8409]

As I read more and more about Bush I keep wondering how bad he really did.

How much was his fault? I don't really know but the opinion people have of him is pretty low. But who easier to blame than the Quarter back even if he had no offensive line.

I stay neutral about Bush for now.

[GC4-RS]

i stay neutral about all politicians cuz' i dont trust any one of them further than i could throw em'

[jonny-rockets]

As I read more and more about Bush I keep wondering how bad he really did.

How much was his fault? I don't really know but the opinion people have of him is pretty low. But who easier to blame than the Quarter back even if he had no offensive line.

I stay neutral about Bush for now.

i'll say this. he is not personally responsible for everything bad that has happened to america in the past 8 years.

however, to play off your analogy, if the quarterback is the team captain, and he picks the entire offensive line prior to the game, then fault can still be placed on him if the team does horrible.

[starhm]

we were in a decline before bush took office...clinton was a better speaker and could get the people to believe in him a lot better than bush. 9/11 didnt help bush and there are things you just cant get out of. no matter who was in office then...it would have gone bad. all the double talking congressionals that wanted to take action right after 9/11 because we were all angry that did a 180 after we actually got over there...aggrevates me.

im saying it...we need to pull back into the borders...defend these borders against all including illegals...and start fixing ourselves. we give too much to the world...maybe without it, they will figure it out. i dont remember many countries helping us after katrina...let the middle east start killing themselves again instead of us and let isreal sort them out.

[Penguin]

I will come out on the prediction of a very rough 4 years.

Inexperience, and proven inability to recognize a failing position (just like Bush II), combined with an out of control Congress that Obama will not stand up to mean we tax payers are in for a real good screwing.

As a prime example look at the pork laden, "stimulus" package up for debate right now. The money will not be spent in time to make any difference, and the money that is set aside for actual useful long term projects is not even the majority of spending. I guess no one in Congress is interested in making good policy, and Obama is too dim to recognize good policy and responsible spending. Being a product of Chicago politics this is no big surprise.

[GC4-RS]

^ i iz feelinz whatz youz sayinz manz

[Nate8409]

Good point so what can we think of Obamas picks so far LL OOO LL!

i'll say this. he is not personally responsible for everything bad that has happened to america in the past 8 years.

however, to play off your analogy, if the quarterback is the team captain, and he picks the entire offensive line prior to the game, then fault can still be placed on him if the team does horrible.

[starhm]

As a teacher, I'm just glad Bush and his blind faith in NCLB is gone. It's been killing education in our country.

The future looks much brighter with Obama.

http://www.ontheissues.org/social/Barack_obama_Education.htm

i think education has been on a decline for more than the past 8 years...we have been in a slide with the world for quite a while...were teachers and the education system as a whole better off with clinton? this like many things has been steadily going down for over a decade now. we just have the last eight years of someone keeping the status quo to complain about.

congress will give THEMSELVES a raise before they even begin to consider YOU or ME!!

[morbidgorilla]

I thought the insto rases in government were blocked

[starhm]

i believe he only blocked the top payed members of his cabinet. the president can not set the pay structure for the congress...that is passed as a congressional vote, usually by silent vote....

we didnt vote ourselves a payraise...we just didnt vote against it!!!

[Nate8409]

I would have to say depending on the group in power education is the least of their worries.

And more to that point the kind of educators out there. Who would you rather be teaching your kids? A Conservative or a Liberal teacher?

[legacygt]

only time will tell. i am a little nervous with his second amendment ideas... no pistols, no rifles, no protection of life and property... thats going a little to far. With out the 2nd there would be no 1st amendment.

[Nate8409]

Hmmm I didn't hear about this. Link me if you can. The bigger Government = less freedoms.