Future Classics?

[Seraphinwolf]

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Top 10: Future Classics You Can Afford Now

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No.8 - Subaru SVX (1992-1997)

Before Subaru WRX’d Imprezas, they gave us Giugiaro’s take on an all-wheel drive GT model known as the SVX. Despite its nearly 3,600-lb curb weight, it performed reasonably well but failed to resonate with buyers when new. Like the VW Corrado you just saw, the SVX was competent but out of sync with its siblings and too expensive for the Subaru faithful -- especially during the economic climate when launched. And even if current economic conditions are worse, don’t pass up this future classic you can afford now.

Price: $2,800-$5,500


^^^I paid on the high end for mine but I had expert knowledge of all previous owners and though I knew one was a tail gater(MY FREAKING BROTHER....Just UGH!) Also I had low miles for a 94' and top trim level with mint interior.

Mods if it should have been placed in General forum could someone move it? thanks.

[boxer3maine]

I could guess where this is headed.

The svx claim to fame to me is the transmission.
Then to find, the engine could mount to a dual range wagon, or the whole thing, tranny included... with a purpose for that more powerful boxer, with room.

it is a bizarre automobile, and heavy for it's given power. But if your are "jdm yo", it may play the book value game and increase. It seems when some companies launch a classic, or keeper from the beginning, the under dog comes out of nowhere with real value, and buries the unique concept... it has happened to every manufacture. I am one who got scowled at for a loud chevelle..more oft than not, and now look for a decent one, the cost is more than they were brand new for the same basic obnoxious.

I have several guesses about subarus and future classics. It is hardly a surprise, just follow history and trends of others, and apply it to Subaru.

[Bu11dogg2]

Boxer3, I want to meet you in person.

[jmb1983]

Originally Posted by Bu11dogg2

Boxer3, I want to meet you in person.

X2

[drdabbles]

Technically the Chevy EV1 is now a collectors car. My car? It will never be a classic sports car.

I heard that a first-gen VW GTI went for some pretty big money at auction. Those are collectors cars at this point, if they are in perfect condition.

[drdabbles]

Ok, that list is complete horse ****.

The M Coupe is the worst looking BM ever. And I use BM as an abbreviation in both ways. Looks like a clown shoe.

The Camaro is a symbol of everything that made GM fail- Crap looks, under powered, mushy brakes, low build quality, cheap materials, and yet still heavy as hell. Not a future classic. Nothing from Chevy for the past 10-15 years will be a future classic.

Saying the '09-'10 Porsche 911 is a future classic was a cop out. Technically every 911 becomes a future collectible, because Porsche club members have ass loads of money, wives they cheat on, and 7 car garages. If it's on this list just because it was the introduction of the PDK, direct injection, locking rear diff, launch control, and the list of other features they have that are new...that's a dumb reason. A good collectible 911 isn't necessarily from the first year they introduced a new technology. It's from a solid build year that has proven itself over time.

I don't think there will be enough un-modded MR2s left in the world for them to be future classics. They do look fun, though.

Land Rover- If you find one that works, keep it. In all seriousness, I want a Land Rover. Not the tall, tipsy, stupid looking ones either. I'm talking the "Get in and drive across the Baja peninsula" Defender kind. But Land Rovers are known for their reliability....in breaking down. Seriously. Everywhere in the world, there is a Land Rover that has some serious problem with it. And they are a FORTUNE to repair.

The SVX had a couple other cars that were of similar design in that era. None of them really took off. It's inexpensive right now to buy one, which isn't a good indicator for its future classic status. More importantly, though, it wasn't an icon for Subaru. Typically that's what a collector wants. A car that was symbolic for the manufacturer. If anything I'd say a tan colored '80s era sedan is probably the biggest icon for Subaru. Next in line would be the Brat.

I saw a Corrado on a British show "Wheeler Dealers". Nothing on that show is a classic. It's a flip car- Buy it cheap, fix it, sell at a profit. Few people remember the Corrado for the reasons listed- VERY high price for a VW. You could have found more car for less money, or a BMW for the same money. At the point you can buy a BMW versus a VW, it should be a no brainer.

I'd almost say the Miata is already a classic. Light weight, enough power, great balance. The Miata is the perfect example of the excitement you can get from driving a slow car fast instead of driving a fast car slow. It's hard to find good Miatas already, because they are being gobbled up by collectors and enthusiasts. And that's why you see a price range of $1,000 to $13,000. A well maintained Miata with all its service receipts is worth what you pay for it. A piece of crap that was parallel parked by a middle-aged woman for 10 years isn't.

[Oscar_Meyer]

I have string cheese...anyone hungry

[tC2WRX]

I'd trade my REX for a kleen M Coupe
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[Oscar_Meyer]

Originally Posted by Bu11dogg2

Boxer3, I want to meet you in person.

will him to my place with that SVX... we have food little boy

[subaru_crazy]

i think a subaru brat is more of a future classic then the svx. just cuz there hard to find. and everybody wants one.

[SRTie4k]

Originally Posted by drdabbles

Ok, that list is complete horse ****.

The M Coupe is the worst looking BM ever. And I use BM as an abbreviation in both ways. Looks like a clown shoe.

The Camaro is a symbol of everything that made GM fail- Crap looks, under powered, mushy brakes, low build quality, cheap materials, and yet still heavy as hell. Not a future classic. Nothing from Chevy for the past 10-15 years will be a future classic.

Saying the '09-'10 Porsche 911 is a future classic was a cop out. Technically every 911 becomes a future collectible, because Porsche club members have ass loads of money, wives they cheat on, and 7 car garages. If it's on this list just because it was the introduction of the PDK, direct injection, locking rear diff, launch control, and the list of other features they have that are new...that's a dumb reason. A good collectible 911 isn't necessarily from the first year they introduced a new technology. It's from a solid build year that has proven itself over time.

I don't think there will be enough un-modded MR2s left in the world for them to be future classics. They do look fun, though.

Land Rover- If you find one that works, keep it. In all seriousness, I want a Land Rover. Not the tall, tipsy, stupid looking ones either. I'm talking the "Get in and drive across the Baja peninsula" Defender kind. But Land Rovers are known for their reliability....in breaking down. Seriously. Everywhere in the world, there is a Land Rover that has some serious problem with it. And they are a FORTUNE to repair.

The SVX had a couple other cars that were of similar design in that era. None of them really took off. It's inexpensive right now to buy one, which isn't a good indicator for its future classic status. More importantly, though, it wasn't an icon for Subaru. Typically that's what a collector wants. A car that was symbolic for the manufacturer. If anything I'd say a tan colored '80s era sedan is probably the biggest icon for Subaru. Next in line would be the Brat.

I saw a Corrado on a British show "Wheeler Dealers". Nothing on that show is a classic. It's a flip car- Buy it cheap, fix it, sell at a profit. Few people remember the Corrado for the reasons listed- VERY high price for a VW. You could have found more car for less money, or a BMW for the same money. At the point you can buy a BMW versus a VW, it should be a no brainer.

I'd almost say the Miata is already a classic. Light weight, enough power, great balance. The Miata is the perfect example of the excitement you can get from driving a slow car fast instead of driving a fast car slow. It's hard to find good Miatas already, because they are being gobbled up by collectors and enthusiasts. And that's why you see a price range of $1,000 to $13,000. A well maintained Miata with all its service receipts is worth what you pay for it. A piece of crap that was parallel parked by a middle-aged woman for 10 years isn't.

I have to disagree in a couple of areas.

1. GM and classics - There are several GM cars I can easily see as becoming classics in the next few decades, the biggest of those being the ZR1. Low production number, extremely good bang for the buck, a titan of the flagship car of Chevy. Also the Cadillac XLR - not the best performer, but extremely rare and a very nice looking car. The V model is even more rare and could possibly top the ZR1. Lastly, the current Cadillac CTS-V - it's a sedan with a nasty engine, the best performing sedan in its class. Instant classic IMO.

2. Miata - I doubt the Miata will ever become a "classic" with any worth for one very specific reason - it's production numbers are HUGE. Go watch Barrett-Jackson sometime and you'll see that the more rare a car is, the more its worth, exponentially. The only possible model I could ever see as becoming a collector car is the Mazdaspeed Miata, which had a total run of around 14,000 cars in two years of production.

[drdabbles]

Originally Posted by SRTie4k

1. GM and classics - There are several GM cars I can easily see as becoming classics in the next few decades, the biggest of those being the ZR1. Low production number, extremely good bang for the buck, a titan of the flagship car of Chevy. Also the Cadillac XLR - not the best performer, but extremely rare and a very nice looking car. The V model is even more rare and could possibly top the ZR1. Lastly, the current Cadillac CTS-V - it's a sedan with a nasty engine, the best performing sedan in its class. Instant classic IMO.

Yeah, you're probably right. My only reason for not including the ZR1 was that it isn't going to save a sinking ship. It was too little, too late. Having such low production numbers when GM plants have been cranking out complete garbage for YEARS at a break neck pace just isn't a good sigh.

All of the technology behind the ZR1 was great, but it's been done before by other automakers for nearly a decade now. I mean, aluminum frames have been done in sports cars since the end of the '80s even!

The real shame about the corvette lineup is that the ZR1 is what they were SUPPOSED to be this whole time. They were supposed to be the sports car of the GM lineup. But since the end of the '80s they have just been another affordable, large, 2 door car.

Originally Posted by SRTie4k

2. Miata - I doubt the Miata will ever become a "classic" with any worth for one very specific reason - it's production numbers are HUGE. Go watch Barrett-Jackson sometime and you'll see that the more rare a car is, the more its worth, exponentially. The only possible model I could ever see as becoming a collector car is the Mazdaspeed Miata, which had a total run of around 14,000 cars in two years of production.

Yeah, there are tons of them. But they are sought after. So, for now they are holding value. We'll see what happens as time moves on. Perhaps not a classic, but an icon.

[SRTie4k]

Originally Posted by drdabbles

Yeah, you're probably right. My only reason for not including the ZR1 was that it isn't going to save a sinking ship. It was too little, too late. Having such low production numbers when GM plants have been cranking out complete garbage for YEARS at a break neck pace just isn't a good sigh.

All of the technology behind the ZR1 was great, but it's been done before by other automakers for nearly a decade now. I mean, aluminum frames have been done in sports cars since the end of the '80s even!

The real shame about the corvette lineup is that the ZR1 is what they were SUPPOSED to be this whole time. They were supposed to be the sports car of the GM lineup. But since the end of the '80s they have just been another affordable, large, 2 door car.

I guess I don't know what you're getting at here, because the ZR1 wasn't designed to be a technological marvel. Nor does the reliability or craftsmanship have much to do with what a cars value does when it reaches classic status.

For example the Dodge Viper RT/10 still holds ridiculous resale value, typically $30-40k with around 30k miles, despite the fact that its almost 20 years old and had terrible reliability. Heck, you can get an 02-03 C5 Z06 for half that price and half the miles.

Or the older 1963 split window Corvette Stingray. The thing handled horrendously, the engine wouldn't last more than 50k miles without needing a rebuild, yet in good condition with matching numbers, you'd be hard pressed to find one for less than $80k.

I think what you're getting at is that the Corvette has taken on the Mustang appeal - everybody and their mother has one, which is true. The base Corvette will never be worth anything special, its those extremely rare special editions that everybody drools over that will become extremely sought-after cars in future.

[squeethebee]

I think an original neon ACR is more of a classic than most of the cars on that list

I mean, it's on the internets, it must be true!!

ed

[im_so_blue]

My predictions is

The subaru brat is gonna be the "IT" Car for subaru

as said before everyone wants one and its hard to find one that isn't rotted to hell or half dead.

So any of you guys and gals that own a brat that still runs and looks half way decent... Fully restore it... Lock it away for 20 years.. and if we are still alive. Pull it back out and sell it.
I have a feeling it will pull high dollars.

The SVX will play a close second. Its kinda like the delorean of the 90s.
Everyone picked on it for being too heavy under powered and just not holding up.
But due to its design cues (and deloreans case back to the future immortalizing it) the delorean is now a high demand collector car. Infact they make kit cars of the thing now cause everyone wants that back to the future car or the car that never made it kinda deal.

The NSX
is already a classic in a way. Although they retailed close to a 100k now a days they still hold a good resale.
I found a 92 NSX completely from factory stock with low mileage (like 25k) at the lake george car show last year for i think 40k
Plus honda fans love the nsx. They all wish they had one. But they just like the supras are kinda rare

More cars i think should have been on the list

The Toyota Supra


after listening to pat at a few shows about supras and such. I can tell what makes supras so special for the car industry. And they are kinda rare now a days. Your import guys want em but can't find em.

After listening to stacie and her father at car shows (the vtboost guys know what i am talking about) talk about her dream truck. I can understand where this one will be a classic in 10 years or less.

The GMC Syclone.

they have a kinda low production number
They were turbo'd which was rare for a small pick up in the early 90s
and they we're awd. Yes awd.
I've only seen 2 of them in person. Stacie said shes only seen 1.

and i am sure there are others